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: K‡e †_‡K †jLv‡jwL ïiæ Ki‡jb?
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: GKRb DVwZ bvU¨Kv‡ii Abyf~wZI wK wVK GiKgUvB?
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: ZiæY eq‡m †Kv‡bv bvU¨Kv‡ii cÖfve wK Avcbvi †jLvq cÖwZdwjZ n‡qwQj e‡j g‡b nq?
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: Avcwb Uª¨vwRwW bvUK A‡c¶vK…Z †ewk †j‡Lb..
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: Avcbvi wK g‡b nq eZ©gvb mg‡qi gvbyl A‡bK †ewk hyw³ev`x Ges g„Zy¨‡K Giv Rxe‡bi KwVb ev¯ÍeZv wn‡m‡e wePvi K‡i? Zviv KZUyKy Uª¨wRwW wbf©i bvUK MÖnY Ki‡Z cv‡i?
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: Avi BD‡ivcxqvb‡`i †¶‡Î?
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: Avcwb †Zv wKQyw`b Av‡M ivwkqv‡Z wM‡qwQ‡jb..
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: Pjw”P‡Îi RbwcÖqZvi g‡a¨ GKUv bvU‡Ki cÖfve KZUyKy?
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: gva¨g wn‡m‡e wUwf-bvUK †Kgb? GwU wb‡q Avcbvi wK gZvgZ?
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: ivRbxwZ wK KL‡bv Avcbvi e¨w³MZ Rxeb‡K boe‡o K‡i Zy‡jwQj?
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: GKUy Ab¨ cÖm‡½ Avwm, Avcbvi wK g‡b nq gvbyl GLb Av‡Mi g‡Zv Avevi w_‡qUv‡i bvUK †`L‡Z hv‡e?
wgjvi: w_‡qUvi wU‡K _vK‡j `k©K Aek¨B hv‡e|
: mgv‡jvPK‡`i wb›`vq bvU¨Kviiv †Kgb cÖfvweZ nq?
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