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Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb : mgqUv fxlY Lvivc hv‡”Q †`‡ki gvby‡li Rb¨| ¯^vfvweK Rxeb †_‡K Zviv `~‡i emevm Ki‡Q †ek wKQzw`b a‡iB| ¯^vfvweK Kg©hÁ cwiPvjbv Kiv, cov‡kvbv, Pjv‡div, K_vevZ©v, LvIqv`vIqv, Nygv‡bvÑ wbZ¨w`‡bi cÖvq mewKQzB Pj‡Q A¯^vfvweKZvi ga¨ w`‡q| Zv‡`i cÖwZgyn~Z© Kv‡U ARvbv fq I AvZ‡¼| ejv hvq A¯^vfvweK GB Rxebhvc‡b eva¨ n‡q‡Q Zviv| eva¨ K‡i‡Q †`‡ki Pjgvb wnsmvZ¥K ivRbxwZ| ivRbxwZwe` ev ivR‰bwZK `jmg~‡ni wnsmvZ¥K GB ivR‰bwZK Kg©m~wP, wnsmvi ivRbxwZi, †ilv‡iwli d‡jB gvbyl †cvov ivRbxwZi ewj mvaviY RbMY| ¶gZv hvIqv-Avmv wb‡q ivRbxwZi Ke‡j c‡oB `ywe©ln mgq cvi‡Q| gvbyl eo Amnvq n‡q c‡o‡Q| gvby‡li GB Amnvq‡Z¡i KviY †K ev Kviv, miKvi bv we‡ivax `jÑ Pviw`‡K Pj‡Q bvbvgyLx we‡klY| weGbwc`jxq mv‡eK msm` m`m¨ Rwni DwÏb ¯^cbI gy‡LvgywL n‡qwQ‡jb mvßvwnK KvMR-Gi| w`‡q‡Qb weGbwci Av‡›`vjb †hŠw³KZvi e¨vL¨v| cÖkœ Zz‡j‡Qb miKv‡ii ¶gZvq _vKvi ˆbwZKZv wb‡q| mv¶vrKvi wb‡q‡Qb AvwkK ingvb
mvßvwnK KvMR: weGbwc †RvU †NvwlZ jvMvZvi Ae‡iva Pj‡Q| gv‡Sg‡a¨B Avm‡Q niZvj| miKviwe‡ivax GB Av‡›`vjb Pjgvb ivR‰bwZK msKU †_‡K DËiY Kxfv‡e m¤¢e e‡j g‡b K‡ib Avcwb?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: cÖ_gZ Avwg `‡ji †Kv‡bv `vwq‡Z¡ †bB| c‡` †bB| Avwg †KejB `‡ji GKRb mvaviY Kg©x| GKRb GKwbô mg_©K| Avwg g~jZ GKRb ch©‡e¶‡Ki ch©v‡q AvwQ GLb| d‡j Avgvi gš—e¨ KZUv ¸iyZ¡c~Y© n‡e, KZUv cÖvmw½K n‡e ejv gykwKj| Z‡e Pjgvb ivR‰bwZK msKU hZ bv weGbwc ev AvIqvgx jx‡Mi `jxq msKU, Zvi PvB‡ZI GB msKUwU Avgv‡`i †`‡ki `ye©j ivR‰bwZK cÖwµqvi msKU| GUv LyeB `yf©vM¨RbK †h, ¯^vaxbZvi GZ eQi c‡iI Avgiv, †`‡ki ivRbxwZwe‡`iv †KDB AvR ch©š— ivR‰bwZK cÖwµqv‡K GKwU cÖwZôvb wn‡m‡e `uvo Kiv‡Z cvwiwb|
KvMR: ivRbxwZ, MYZ‡š¿i cÖvwZôvwbK iƒc `„k¨gvb Ki‡Z bv cvivi KviY Kx, cvi¯úwiK ¯^v_©‡Kw›`ÖK Ø›ØB wK Pjgvb msK‡Ui g~j KviY?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: ¯^vaxbZvi ci †_‡K Avgiv Avgv‡`i ivR‰bwZK cÖwµqv‡K cÖvwZôvwbK Kivi Rb¨ †h KvR¸‡jv Kiv `iKvi wQj, Avgiv †Kv‡bv c‡e©, †Kv‡bv ch©v‡qB g‡bv‡hvM w`‡Z cvwiwb| Dciš‘ wewfbœ mgq mvgwiK kvmb wKsev AmvsweavwbK kvm‡bi wei“‡× jovB-msMÖvg Kivi ga¨ w`‡q Avgiv †Kej ¶gZvi cÖkœUv‡K †emvgwiK ivR‰bwZK `j¸‡jvi nv‡Z wb‡q Avm‡Z †c‡iwQ, wKš‘ mvsweavwbK ivRbxwZ ev RbM‡Yi ¶gZv Ges wbe©vPbx e¨e¯’vUv‡K †h cÖvwZôvwbK Kivi `iKvi, G KvRUv KL‡bvB Ki‡Z cvwiwb|
KvMR: wbe©vPbx e¨e¯’v cÖvwZôvwbK iƒc w`‡Z e¨_©Zv wK ivRbxwZwe‡`i, A_ev mywbw`©ó †Kv‡bv ivR‰bwZK `j ev ivRbxwZwe‡`i e¨_©Zv?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: mywbw`©ófv‡eB Avwg g‡b Kwi Avgv‡`i ivRbxwZwe`‡`i AvZ¥mgv‡jvPbvUvB G †¶‡Î cÖavb g‡bv‡hv‡Mi welq nIqv DwPZ| ivRbxwZwe‡ivax kw³iv MYZš¿‡K aŸsm Ki‡Z PvB‡e, bó Ki‡Z PvB‡eÑ GUv LyeB ¯^vfvweK| d‡j Zv‡`i Ici †`vl w`‡q wb‡R‡`i fzjÎywU‡K Avovj KivUv †evKvwg n‡e| fwel¨‡ZI hw` Avgiv GLvb †_‡K gyw³ PvB, Zvn‡j ¯^vaxbZv-DËi †_‡K G ch©š— ivRbxwZwe`‡`i e¨_©Zv‡KB cÖ_‡g wPwýZ Ki‡Z n‡e| ivRbxwZwe`‡`iB cÖ_‡g AvZ¥mgv‡jvPbv Ki‡Z n‡e|
KvMR: weGbwc`jxq †Rv‡Ui Pjgvb Av‡›`vjb wK †bZv-Kg©x‡`i wei“‡× gvgjv, nqivwb †_‡K i¶vi Av‡›`vjb, bv ¶gZv‡Kw›`ÖK? ¶gZvevb nIqvi Rb¨B wK GB Av‡›`vjb?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: `kg msm` wbe©vP‡bi †h cÖwµqvwU wQj, †mwUB n‡”Q wKš‘ Av‡›`vj‡bi g~j Drm| †Kbbv Gi Av‡Mi wbe©vPb¸‡jv wb‡q Kg‡ewk weZK© _vK‡jI miKv‡ii ˆeaZv wb‡q wKš‘ †Zgb GKUv weZK© wQj bv| d‡j MÖnY‡hvM¨ wbe©vP‡bi ga¨ w`‡q hLb miKvi MwVZ nq, †mB miKv‡ii fzjÎywU wb‡q †`‡k †h ivR‰bwZK mgm¨v _v‡K †m mgm¨vi †Pnviv, Avi GKwU MYwew”Qbœ †fvUviwenxb wbe©vP‡bi ga¨ w`‡q hLb GKwU A‰ea miKvi ¶gZvq _v‡K, ZLbKvi ivR‰bwZK mgm¨vi †Pnviv, `y‡Uv wKš‘ GK bv|
KvMR: me `‡ji AskMÖnYg~jK wbe©vPb bv n‡jI miKv‡ii †Zv mvsweavwbK ˆeaZv i‡q‡Q …| Avcwb ej‡Qb miKvi A‰ea, †mwUi wfwË Kx?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: GKwU miKvi mvsweavwbK wK mvsweavwbK bqÑ GwU GKwU cÖkœ, Avi Av‡iKwU cÖkœ n‡”Q †h miKvi RbM‡Yi `„wó‡Z ˆbwZKfv‡e ˆea wK bv| †hgb wnUjv‡ii wKš‘ GKwU msweavb wQj| BwZnv‡m wKš‘ Zv N„wYZ wel‡q cwiYZ n‡q‡Q| mvsweavwbK nIqvUvB wKš‘ ˆeaZv bv| ivRbxwZ‡Z ˆeaZvi gvb`Ê n‡e mswkó mg‡q mswkó welqwU RbM‡Yi Kv‡Q MÖnY‡hvM¨ wK MÖnY‡hvM¨ bv| †mB we‡ePbvq me©‡kl wbe©vP‡b †h‡nZz RbM‡Yi AskMÖnY wQj bv| d‡j GB wbe©vPb †UKwbK¨vwj ˆea, wKš‘ ˆbwZKfv‡e ˆea bv|
KvMR: bvbv `vwe`vIqv wb‡q Avcbviv Av‡›`vjb Ki‡Qb| wewfbœ Kg©m~wP †NvlYv Ki‡Qb| wKš‘ ivRbxwZi gq`vb †Zv Lvwj, †bZv-Kg©x‡`i Dcw¯’wZ †bB ej‡jB P‡j| GwU †Kb n‡”Q?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: G ai‡bi cÖkœ Avmv LyeB ¯^vfvweK| we‡kl K‡i hviv Av‡›`vjb-msMÖv‡g WvK †`‡e, †h ivR‰bwZK `‡ji Kg©m~wP Zv‡Z Zv‡`i ivRc‡_ Aek¨B _vK‡Z n‡e| we‡kl K‡i GKwU MYZvwš¿K e¨e¯’v‡Z ivR‰bwZK msMÖvg Aek¨B n‡Z n‡e RbM‡Yi m‡½ mswkó ev m¤úwK©Z| G †¶‡Î miKvi hw` MYZvwš¿K AwaKvi Abyhvqx mfv-mgv‡e‡ki AbygwZ eÜ K‡i †`q, wbqgZvwš¿Kfv‡e ivR‰bwZK msMÖv‡gi c_NvU hw` eÜ n‡q hvq, ZLb †cÖ¶vcUUv wfbœ n‡q hvq| d‡j hviv ivRc‡_ bv‡gb bv Zviv Aek¨B miKv‡ii GB ivóª‡K e¨envi Kivi †h wnsmª cš’vÑ GUv hyw³ wn‡m‡e Zviv e¨envi Ki‡eb|
KvMR: Av‡›`vjb-msMÖvg wK KviI AbygwZ w`‡q nq? AbygwZi A‡c¶v K‡i?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: GKwU ivRbxwZ weewR©Z miKv‡ii ˆ¯^ivPvix †Pnvivi wei“‡× Av‡›`vjb Kiv Avi AvIqvgx jxM, weGbwci g‡Zv G iKg ivR‰bwZK `‡ji wei“‡× ivóª‡K e¨envi Kiv nq Zvi wei“‡× Av‡›`vjb Kiv `ywUi †cÖ¶vcU wKš‘ GK bv| AvIqvgx jxM-weGbwci g‡Zv wbe©vwPZ ev RbwcÖq ivR‰bwZK `j¸‡jv hLb ivóª‡K Zvi ˆ¯^iZš¿, d¨vwmev‡`i nvwZqvi wn‡m‡e e¨envi Ki‡e, †mB d¨vwmev`xi †Pnviv Avi AmvsweavwbK kw³i †Pnviv wKš‘ GK n‡e bv| `y‡Uvi g‡a¨ cv_©K¨ Av‡Q|
KvMR: Avcbv‡`i Pjgvb GB Av‡›`vj‡b Rbm¤ú„³Zv wb‡q cÖkœ D‡V‡Q| ejv n‡”QÑ GB Av‡›`vj‡b gvby‡li mvov †bB| Kx ej‡eb?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: ivRbxwZewnf©‚Z, ivRbxwZwenxb †h kvmb¸‡jv Zv‡`i wei“‡× Av‡›`vjb, Avi AvIqvgx jxM Ges weGbwci g‡Zv RbwcÖq ivR‰bwZK `j¸‡jv hLb d¨vwm÷ AvPiY K‡i Zvi wei“‡× Av‡›`vjb `y‡Uv Av‡›`vj‡bi †cÖ¶vcU wKš‘ Avjv`v| †gKvwbK¨vwj AvBqyewe‡ivax, Gikv`we‡ivaxi m‡½ AvIqvgx jxM-weGbwci wei“‡× GB Av‡›`vjb †gjv‡j wKš‘ Pj‡e bv| GUv‡K GKUz wfbœfv‡e †`L‡Z n‡e|
KvMR: gvby‡li Rb¨ Avcbviv ivRbxwZ K‡ib| jovB-msMÖvg K‡ib| eZ©gvb Av‡›`vjb KZUv RbM‡Yi Rb¨ Av‡›`vjb? †Kbbv Uvbv Ae‡iva, niZv‡ji d‡j RbRxeb wech©¯— n‡q c‡o‡Q| hvbevn‡b Av¸b †`Iqv n‡”Q| gvbyl cyo‡Q|
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: GLv‡b `ywU e¨vL¨v Av‡Q| GKUv n‡”Q, gvby‡li mg_©b bv wb‡q miKvi MVb K‡i hviv, Zviv gvby‡li AwaKvi wb‡q K_v ej‡Z cv‡i wK bv| Avevi miKv‡ii wei“‡× Av‡›`vjb Kg©m~wP‡Z mvaviY gvbyl ¶wZMÖ¯— n‡e, †mUvI †Kv‡bvg‡ZB mg_©b Kiv hvq bv| wØZxq cÖkœ n‡jv, miKv‡ii AvBbk„•Ljv i¶vi ZrciZv Avi MYZš¿ cÖwZôv Kivi †h Av‡›`vjb, Gi evB‡i Z…Zxq †KD wK †Kv‡bv AgvbweK cwiw¯’wZi my‡hvM MÖnY Ki‡Q wK bv, AvIqvgx jxM Ges weGbwc Dfq `j‡K wew”Qbœ Kivi Rb¨, †mUvI wKš‘ fvevi welq i‡q‡Q|
KvMR: Avcbviv wK Zvn‡j Pj‡Z _vKv mwnsmZvi †Kv‡bv iKg `vq wb‡Z AcviM? †`kRy‡o mwnsmZvi Av¸b †K Qov‡”Q?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: Le‡ii KvM‡R †`Ljvg, weGbwci ¯’vqx KwgwUi m`m¨ †j. †R. (Ae.) gvneyeyi ingvb e‡j‡Qb, mwnsmZvi m‡½ hviv RwoZ Zv‡`i miKv‡ii wPwýZ Kiv DwPZ| Ges GUv Lye `yf©vM¨RbK miKvi wewfbœ †¶‡Î A‡bK cvi`wk©Zv †`Lv‡jI G ai‡bi AcKg©Kvix‡`i wKš‘ GLb ch©š— ai‡Z cv‡iwb| GgbwK wiqvR ingv‡bi g‡Zv G iKg Avš—R©vwZK L¨vwZm¤úbœ GKRb K‚UbxwZwe‡`i nvgjvKvix‡`iI Zviv ai‡Z cv‡iwb| A_P cÖkvm‡bi Dw`© civ Kg©KZ©viv †h ai‡bi ivR‰bwZK ûsKvi w`‡”Qb, Zzjbvq †Kv‡bv Aciva Kivi K_v bq| d‡j GUv nq A‡hvM¨Zv, Rbg‡b m‡›`n _vK‡Z cv‡iÑ cÖkvm‡bi GB bxieZv †Kb?
KvMR: msNvZ, mwnsmZvq †Kv‡bv msK‡Ui myivnv n‡q‡Q †Kv_vI †Kv‡bv w`b? mwnsm GB ivRbxwZi Aemvb wK n‡e bv?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: cÖkœB I‡V bv, mwnsmZvq †Kv‡bv mgvavb Avm‡e bv| msK‡Ui mgvavb Avm‡e ivR‰bwZK `j¸‡jvi ïfeyw×i D`‡qi ga¨ w`‡q| hLb ïfeyw×i D`q bv N‡U mgvavb `~‡i _vKzK, mgm¨vi Av¸‡b mK‡j wg‡j cyo‡Z n‡e| G †¶‡Î miKvi‡K GwM‡q Avm‡Z n‡e|
KvMR: RvgvqvZ m½ weGbwci Rb¨ Kvj n‡q‡Q| evievi msK‡U co‡Q `jwU| ej‡Qb A‡b‡KB| GKvwaKevi ¶gZvq _vKv weGbwci RvgvqvZ m½ Z¨vM Ki‡Z evav †Kv_vq?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: Rvgvqv‡Zi m‡½ mswkó _vK‡e wK _vK‡e bv GKwU ivR‰bwZK `j Av‡iKwU `‡ji kZ© †`Iqvi wKQz †bB| AvIqvgx jx‡Mi †Zv Rvgvqv‡Zi m‡½ hyMcr Av‡›`vjb wQj| weGbwc GLb 20 `jxq †RvU K‡i‡Q| welqwU n‡”Q, ivRbxwZ hw` mwVK Lv‡Z cÖevwnZ bv nq, ZLb †h‡Kv‡bv ivR‰bwZK `j Zvi †LmviZ †hgb RbM‡Yi Kv‡Q w`‡Z eva¨ n‡e, mwVK Kg©m~wP MÖnY Ki‡Z cvi‡j RbM‡Yi KvQ †_‡K †Zgb cyi¯‹viI cv‡e| d‡j GB kvw¯— †`Iqvi `vwqZ¡ †Kv‡bv ivR‰bwZK `j wb‡Z cv‡i bv| AvIqvgx jx‡Mi fz‡ji kvw¯— weGbwc w`‡Z cv‡i bv, weGbwci fz‡ji kvw¯— AvIqvgx jxM w`‡Z cv‡i bv| ivRbxwZ‡Z kvw¯— †`Iqvi ¶gZv Av‡Q GKgvÎ RbM‡Yi|
KvMR: Rvgvqv‡Zi wei“‡× gvby‡li GKUv HK¨e×Zv i‡q‡Q| mvaviY gvbyl Pvq RvgvqvZgy³ evsjv‡`‡ki ivRbxwZ|
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: RvgvqvZ Dwbk k mËi †_‡K G ch©š— †fv‡Ui wnmv‡e kZKiv cuvP fv‡Mi †ewk †fvU cvqwb| RbMY †Zv GB wel‡q mRvM, m‡PZb| RbM‡Yi IciB †Zv fimv ivLv fv‡jv| Avwg †Kb RbM‡Yi Ici Lei`vwi Ki‡Z hve? BwZnvm †Zv e‡j Rvgvqv‡Zi g‡Zv ivR‰bwZK kw³‡K RbMY KL‡bvB MÖnY K‡iwb| mˇii wbe©vPb †_‡K ïi“ K‡i me©‡kl wbe©vPb KL‡bvB Zviv MYwfwË ˆZwi Ki‡Z cv‡iwb| RbM‡Yi GB Áv‡bi Ici, AwfÁZvi Ici †Kb Avwg Av¯’v ivL‡Z cvwi bv? Avwg †Kb RbM‡Yi †P‡q †ewk AwffveK nIqvi `vwqZ¡ MÖnY Kwi? Ges GUv ˆ¯^iZvwš¿K GKUv gvbwmKZv| ivRbxwZ‡Z RbM‡Yi †P‡q †Kv‡bv `j hLb wb‡R‡K AwfÁ g‡b K‡i, GwU ˆ¯^ivPv‡ii cÖ_g ˆewkó¨, d¨vwmev‡`i cÖ_g ˆewkó¨ wn‡m‡e cwiMwYZ nq|
KvMR: e½eÜz‡K wb‡q Zv‡iK ingv‡bi mv¤úªwZK †`Iqv gš—e¨ m¤ú‡K© Avcwb wbðqB AeMZ i‡q‡Qb| Zv‡iK ingv‡bi GB ivRbxwZ `j wn‡m‡e weGbwc wK †Kv‡bv myweav cv‡”Q?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: GB wel‡q gš—e¨ Kivi g‡Zv ¸i“Z¡c~Y© †bZv Avwg bv| Z‡e Avwg hZUzKz †`‡LwQ BwZg‡a¨ `‡ji †Pqvicvimb G wel‡q gš—e¨ K‡i‡Qb| `‡ji wewkó eyw×Rxex Aa¨vcK GgvRDÏxb Avng` K‡qK w`b Av‡M e‡j‡Qb, ¶gZvkxj AvIqvgx jxM wRqvDi ingvb m¤ú‡K© wb›`vRbK e³‡e¨i cÖwZwµqv wn‡m‡eB m¤¢eZ wZwb GB ai‡bi gš—e¨ Ki‡Qb|
KvMR: Avwg Aag nB‡j Avcwb DËg nB‡eb bv †Kb?
Rwni DwÏb ¯^cb: DËg n‡Z †Zv †Kv‡bv evav †bB| Avwg e¨w³MZfv‡e g‡b Kwi, †h‡Kv‡bv Ab¨vq‡K †Kej b¨vq w`‡qB mgvavb Kiv hvq| GUvB m‡e©vËg cš’v|
