†`‡k Pj‡Q weGbwcmn 20`jxq †Rv‡Ui Uvbv Ae‡iva| niZvj| Lv‡j`v wRqv gy³ Av‡Qb miKvi †_‡K Ggb ejv n‡jI Zvi ivR‰bwZK Kvh©vj‡qi we`yr ms‡hvM, wWm I B›Uvi‡bU †mev ms‡hvM wew”Qbœ K‡i ivLv n‡qwQj cÖvq 20 N›Uv- `vwe Kvh©vjq-Gi| Ab¨w`‡K mviv‡`‡k Pj‡Q wbôzi †cUªj‡evgvi mwnsmZv| gvbyl cy‡o QvB n‡”Q| niZvj-Ae‡iv‡ai d‡j †`‡ki A_©bxwZ‡Z †bwZevPK cÖfve c‡o‡Q| msjvc-mg‡SvZv, wbe©vPb, AvivdvZ ingvb †Kv‡Kvi AvKwl©K g„Zz¨ Gme cÖvmw½K welq wb‡q Avgv‡`imgq.Kg-Gi gy‡LvgywL n‡qwQ‡jb weGbwci ¯’vqx KwgwUi m`m¨, mv‡eK †mbvcÖavb †j. †R. (Ae.) gvneyeyi ingvb| mv¶vrKvi wb‡q‡Qb ReŸvi †nv‡mb
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : Lv‡j`v wRqvi Kvh©vj‡qi we`yr , wWm I B›Uvi‡bU ms‡hvM 20 N›Uv wew”Qbœ ivLvi ci ms‡hvM †`Iqv n‡q‡Q| G wel‡q hw` wKQy e‡jb …
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : Avwg Le‡i ï‡bwQ, †Uwjwfk‡bi ¯Œ‡jI ‡`‡LwQ| Avwg GKUz AevKB njvg, KviY GKUv evwoi we`yr ms‡hvM †K‡U w`‡Z cv‡i hw` wej bv †`q, †Kv‡bv wWdjU _v‡K, wKš‘ GiKg †Kv‡bv mgm¨v bv _v‡K we`yrmn †Kv‡bv ms‡hvMB †Zv wew”Qbœ Kivi K_v bv| GUv †Zv bvMwiK AwaKvi| GB my‡hvM †Zv w`‡Z n‡e| GUv AgvbweK e¨vcvi| Avwg weåvš—I e‡U| Avwg wVK ey‡S DV‡Z cviwQ bv †Kb we`yr ms‡hvM †K‡U †`Iqv n‡e| ‡eMg wRqv mš—vb nviv GK gv, †kvKvnZ| Ges GKUv KwVb mg‡qi g‡a¨ w`‡q Dwb Pj‡Qb| mš—vb nviv GKRb gv‡qi m‡½ wb`©q AvPiY Kiv n‡q‡Q e‡jB Avwg g‡b Kwi|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : W. Kvgvj †nv‡mb, gvngy`yi ingvb gvbœvmn A‡b‡KB †eMg wRqvi m‡½ †`Lv K‡i‡Qb| Zv‡`i g‡a¨ wK ivR‰bwZK †Kv‡bv K_v n‡q‡Q?
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : W. Kvgvj †nv‡mb evsjv‡`‡ki ¯^vaxbZv msMÖv‡gi m‡½ IZ‡cÖvZfv‡e RwoZ| e½eÜzi m‡½ KvR K‡i‡Qb| wZwb MYZ‡š¿i msMÖv‡g GKRb cy‡ivav| kÖ×vfvRb GKRb gvbyl| †eMg wRqv cyÎ †kv‡K KvZi, wZwb mš—vb nvwi‡q‡Qb, wRqvDi ingv‡bi ¯¿x wZwb| GUv AZ¨š— mnRZfv‡e, ¯^vfvweKfv‡e Zvi Kvh©vj‡q †h‡ZB cv‡ib| mg‡e`bv Rvbv‡ZB cv‡ib| Dwb ivRbxwZ K‡ib, †eMg wRqvI ivRbxwZ K‡ib| ivR‰bwZK e¨vcv‡i †Zv wZwb Av‡MI †h‡Z cvi‡Zb, c‡iI †h‡Z cv‡ib meB wVK Av‡Q| Dwb GKUv we‡kl mg‡q †M‡Qb| GKRb cyÎ nviv gv‡K mvš—bv w`‡Z †M‡Qb| Zvi cv‡k `vuwo‡q‡Qb| GLv‡b ivR‰bwZK wKQy K_v n‡Z cv‡i bv †mUv ejwQ bv| ivR‰bwZK K_v n‡ZB cv‡i| Z‡e ivR‰bwZK K_v n‡q‡Q wKbv Avwg wVK Rvwb bv| Avevi ivR‰bwZK K_v bvI n‡Z cv‡i|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : cyÎ †kv‡K KvZi †eMg wRqv‡K mg‡e`bv Rvbv‡Z wM‡qI †kL nvwmbv Zvi Kvh©vj‡qi †fZ‡i †h‡Z cv‡ibwb| cÖavbgš¿x‡K wdwi‡q w`‡q weGbwc wK †Kv‡bvfv‡e jvfevb n‡q‡Q?
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : GLv‡b jvf-¶wZi e¨vcvi bv, Avgiv †Zv mI`vM‡oi g‡Zv wnmve Kwi bv| Z‡e Avwg g‡b Kwi, evsjv‡`‡ki wPivqZ †h ms¯‹…wZ KviI evwo‡Z Avm‡j Zv‡K mv`‡i Avc¨vqb Ki‡Z nq, mv`‡i Af¨_©Yv Rvbv‡Z nq, †m †jvK fv‡jv-Lvivc, Avgvi kΓ-wgÎ †h‡Kv‡bv †jvK †nvK bv| Lv‡j`v wRqv mš—vb nviv, †mmg‡q cÖavbgš¿x wM‡qwQ‡jb, GUv‡K Avwg IBfv‡e †`L‡Z PvB| Ges GUv Lv‡j`v wRqvi Awdm hviv †gB‡›Ub K‡ib Zviv †kL nvwmbv‡K fv‡jvfv‡e wiwmf K‡iwb, P‡j †M‡Qb †MB‡U Zvjv wQj| GUv `ytLRbK|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : †eMg wRqv Uvbv ¸jkvb Kvh©vj‡q Ae¯’vb Ki‡Qb| GB wb‡q Avcbvi e³e¨ Rvb‡Z PvB …
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : Av‡›`vjb Ki‡jB †MÖßvi, miKv‡ii we‡ivwaZv Ki‡jB Ggb XvjvI †MÖßvi `ywbqvi †Kv_vI †bB| we‡ivax `j Ki‡jB Ggb `gb-cxob †KD KL‡bv †`‡Lwb| Lv‡j`v wRqv wZbev‡ii cÖavbgš¿x| Zvi cÖwZ †h AvPiY miKvi Ki‡Q, Zv wa°viRbK| wRqvDi ingvb GKRb gyw³‡hv×v| Zvi ¯¿x, cwievi‡K †hfv‡e miKvi nqivwb Ki‡Q, GUv `ytLRbK| gyw³hy‡×i †PZbvi K_v hw` ewj, Zvn‡j MYZš¿B wQj g~j †mLv‡b| wKš‘ AvR‡K MYZš¿ †Kv_vq? MYZvwš¿K AvPiY †Kv_vq? Avwg Avcbvi m‡½ GKgZ bB| †bZv-Kg©x †Zv Av‡Qb| Zviv Av‡›`vj‡bI Av‡Qb| miKvi gwiqv n‡q Zv‡`i gvgjv, †MÖßvi †`‡e, Zviv †Kv_vq hv‡e? Avwg g‡b Kwi, KL‡bv KL‡bv AvMvgx Av‡›`vj‡bi Rb¨ wKsev Av‡›`vj‡bi ¯^v‡_© †KD †KD wb‡R‡`i †mjd wcÖRvi‡fkb Ki‡Q ev AvÍmsi¶Y Ki‡Q| GUv Av͇Mvcb bq| wKš‘ †bÎxi m‡½ †KD †bB GUv fzj| GUv Lye fzj e¨vL¨v|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : KL‡bv †Kv‡bv Av‡›`vjb wK miKv‡ii AbygwZ, Aby‡gv`‡bi Rb¨ A‡c¶v K‡i? miKviwe‡ivax Av‡›`vj‡b we‡ivaxiv †MÖßvi, gvgjvi wkKvi n‡e, GUv ¯^vfvweK wPÎ| weGbwc hLb ¶gZvq wQj, ZLb wK AvIqvgx jxM‡K `gb Kiv nqwb?
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : K‡i‡Q| †mUvi GKUv †hŠw³K MÖvDÛ wQj| GB miKv‡ii g‡Zv AvPiY weGbwc K‡iwb| Avcbviv gvgjvi cwimsL¨vb †`‡Lb| GLb hZ gvgjv nq, ZLb KZ gvgjv n‡Zv? AvR‡K hyejxM, QvÎjxM‡K gv‡V bvwg‡q †`Iqv n‡q‡Q Av‡›`vjb cÖwZnZ Ki‡Z| Zviv †Zv miKv‡ii †Kv‡bv Aby‡gvw`Z evwnbx bq| Zv‡`i wei“‡× †Kv‡bv K_vI ejv hv‡e bv? G †Kvb Ab¨vq? G †Kvb †`k?
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : Pjgvb Av‡›`vjb wK miKvi cZ‡bi, bvwK MYZš¿ mymsnZ Kivi Av‡›`vjb?
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : Avwg MYZš¿ cybtcÖwZôvi Av‡›`vjb eje| †Kbbv G gyn~‡Z© MYZš¿ †bB| MYZš¿, MYZvwš¿K cwi‡ek †`‡k wd‡i AvmyK, GUv Av‡M Ri“wi| miKvi cZ‡bi Av‡›`vjb Gfv‡e Avwg ej‡Z PvB bv| 5 Rvbyqvwii ci †h msm` Zvi ˆeaZv †bB| GB msm` cÖkœwe× msm`| GB wbe©vPb wQj cÖnm‡bi, bvU‡Ki, mevB †mUv Rv‡b| Avgv‡`i Av‡›`vjb miKvi‡K wbe©vP‡b eva¨ Kiv, †hLv‡b me `j, me g‡Zi AskMÖnY _vK‡e| †`‡k GKUv MYZvwš¿K cwi‡ek wd‡i Avm‡e| †Rvi K‡i ¶gZv Kzw¶MZ K‡i †KD †Kv‡bv w`b _vK‡Z cv‡iwb, GB miKviI _vK‡Z cvi‡e bv| Zvi cv‡qi wb‡P gvwU m‡i hv‡”Q| †h-B ¶gZvq Avm‡e ev _vK‡e, Zv‡K GKUv MYZvwš¿K Dcvq I c×wZ Aej¤^b Ki‡Z n‡e|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : Avcbv‡`i wmwbqi fvBm †Pqvig¨vb wKš‘ e‡j‡Qb Ab¨ K_v| e‡j‡Qb GB Av‡›`vjb nvwmbvi cZ‡bi Av‡›`vjb| miKvi cZ‡bi WvK w`‡q‡Qb wZwb|
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : Zv‡iK ingvb we‡`‡k Av‡Qb| wZwb nq‡Zv †`‡k Avm‡eb| wZwb †Kvb cwiw¯’wZ‡Z Kx e‡j‡Qb GUv Avwg Rvwb bv|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : Zvn‡j wK a‡i †be `‡ji wmwbqi †bZv‡`i m‡½ Zv‡iK ingv‡bi †hvMv‡hvM mgš^qnxbZv i‡q‡Q? KviY, Zv‡iK ingv‡bi m‡½ `‡ji Ab¨ A‡bK wmwbqi †bZvi K_vi wgj Avgiv †`L‡Z cvB bv|
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : Avgv‡`i †h `jxq Kbw÷wUDkb, †mLv‡b wZwb wØZxq kxl© †bZv| wZwb we‡`‡k wPwKrmviZ Av‡Qb| wZwb Zvi g‡Zv K‡i `vwqZ¡ cvjb Ki‡eb| wZwb my¯’ †nvb, GUv Avgv‡`i Kvg¨|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : A‡b‡KB †hUv ej‡Qb, Gev‡ii Ae‡iva †NvlYvq Lv‡j`v wRqv‡K †`‡L, Zvi Awfe¨w³‡Z Lye cÖ¯‘Z g‡b nw”Qj bv| eiveiB Zvi g‡a¨ †h `„pZv, Av‡cvmnxbZv, cÖZ¨‡qi Awfe¨w³ _v‡K Zvi Afve A‡bKUv cwijw¶Z n‡q‡Q| G wel‡q Avcbvi gš—e¨|
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : Lv‡j`v wRqv A‡bK w`b a‡i miKv‡ii `gb-cxo‡bi g‡a¨ Av‡Qb| Aei“× Av‡Qb| †Kv‡bv fv‡jv e¨e¯’vcbvi g‡a¨ †bB| Zvi †M‡U Zvjv, evB‡i BU-evjyi UªvK| †ccvi †¯úÖ gviv n‡”Q K_v ejvi mgq| GKUv fxwZKi I AivRK cwiw¯’wZ ˆZwi K‡i‡Q miKvi| Ggb GKUv cwiw¯’wZ‡Z Zv‡K †b‡cvwjq‡bi g‡Zv jvM‡eÑ GUv wbðqB Avkv K‡ib bv? wZwb Av‡cvmnxb †bÎx| RbM‡Yi ¯^v‡_© wZwb Av‡cvmnxbB Av‡Qb| wZwb †`‡ki gvby‡li Rb¨ jovB Ki‡Qb, GL‡bv K‡i hv‡”Qb|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : m¤úÖwZ Zv‡iK ingv‡bi e½eÜz m¤ú‡K© gš—e¨ wgwWqvmn me gn‡j mgv‡jvPbvi So Zz‡j‡Q| wZwb e½eÜz‡K ÔcvK eÜzÕ, ÔivRvKviÕ gš—e¨ K‡i‡Qb| `‡ji wmwbqi fvBm †Pqvig¨v‡bi Ggb gš—‡e¨ Avcbvi gš—e¨ Kx?
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : Avwg Avm‡j fv‡jvfv‡e ïwbIwb †h wZwb Kx gš—e¨ K‡i‡Qb| Avgvi hv ejvi Zv n‡jv, wZwb wmwbqi fvBm †cÖwm‡W›U, wKš‘ eZ©gv‡b wZwb Amy¯’| wZwb jÛ‡b Av‡Qb| Zvi ivR‰bwZK e³e¨ †kvbvi my‡hvMI Avgvi nqwb| Z‡e †Pqvicvimb GB e³e¨‡K mg_©b K‡i e‡j‡Qb, Zv‡iK ingvb hv e‡j‡Qb Zv M‡elYvjä| Z‡e G wel‡q Gi †P‡q †ewk wKQy ejevi Avgvi †bB|
Avgv‡`imgq.Kg : m¤úÖwZ Av`vjZ †_‡K GKwU wb‡`©kbv G‡m‡Q †h Zv‡iK ingvb cjvZK Avmvwg nIqvi Kvi‡Y wgwWqv Zvi †Kv‡bv gš—e¨, e³e¨ cÖPvi †_‡K †hb weiZ _v‡K| G wel‡q hw` wKQy e‡jb…
†j. †R. gvneyeyi ingvb : GwU Av`vj‡Zi e¨vcvi| Av`vjZ wb‡`©kbvi wel‡q Avwg gš—e¨ †_‡K me mgqB `~‡i _vwK| Z‡e Avwg e¨w³MZfv‡e wek¦vm Kwi gZcÖKv‡ki ¯^vaxbZvq| Z‡e †mB ¯^vaxbZv Aek¨B `vwqZ¡kxj gZcÖKv‡ki ¯^vaxbZv|