†`‡k AvB‡bi kvmb Abycw¯’Z

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cÖ_g Av‡jv: †`‡ki gvbevwaKvi cwiw¯’wZ †Kgb e‡j Avcwb g‡b K‡ib?
wgRvbyi ingvb: †`‡ki gvbevwaKvi cwiw¯’wZ †Kgb, Zv wb‡q GKev‡K¨ †Kv‡bv DËi †`Iqv m¤¢e bq| Avi Avwg †hfv‡eB DËi w`B bv †Kb, Zvi wKš‘ A‡bK e¨vL¨v n‡Z cv‡i| gvbevwaKvi cwiw¯’wZ GLb †Kgb, Zv ej‡Z †M‡j AZx‡Zi m‡½ Zyjbv Ki‡Z n‡e| Avwg †Zv eje, 2013 mv‡ji Zyjbvq 2014 mv‡j †`‡ki mvwe©K gvbevwaKvi cwiw¯’wZi Dbœqb N‡U‡Q| Zv A‡bK m‡š—vlRbK| 2013 mv‡j †`‡k †h mwnsmZv wQj, Zv gvby‡li wbivcËv‡K cÖKU K‡i Zy‡jwQj| wbivcËvnxbZv gvbevwaKv‡ii j·Nb| †mB Ae¯’v †_‡K †ei n‡Z cviv GKwU ïf j¶Y|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: †`‡k AvB‡bi kvmb †Kvb ch©v‡q Av‡Q e‡j Avcwb g‡b K‡ib?
wgRvbyi ingvb: Avwg eje, AvB‡bi kvm‡bi RvqMvwU Avgv‡`i †`‡k eiveiB `ye©j wQj| AvB‡bi kvmb GL‡bv †h Lye GKUv DbœwZ mvab K‡i‡Q ev MÖnY‡hvM¨ ch©v‡q G‡m †cŠu‡Q‡Q, Zv ejvUv KóKi| †Kbbv AvB‡bi kvm‡bi wKš‘ eûgvwÎKZv Av‡Q| Avgiv Rvwb, Lye mvaviYfv‡e GKwU K_v cÖPwjZ, Zv n‡”Q Avgv‡`i GLbKvi wePvie¨e¯’v abxevÜe| `wi`Ö gvbyl g‡b K‡ib Av`vjZcvov Zuvi Rb¨ wbwl×| †Kbbv wZwb †mLv‡b wM‡q wKQy cv‡eb bv| wePvie¨e¯’vUv †hb abxi w`‡K Syu‡K c‡o‡Q| G K_v¸‡jv mgv‡R cÖPwjZ _vKvi A_©B n‡”Q †`‡k AvB‡bi kvmb Abycw¯’Z i‡q‡Q| Avgiv GUvI j¶ Kwi A‡bK †¶‡Î †hLv‡b b¨vqwePv‡ii ¯^v‡_©B AvB‡bi K‡Vvi cÖ‡qvM `iKvi, †mLv‡b A‡bK mgq Z`š— `xN©m~ÎZvq Ave× n‡q c‡o| ÔRvw÷m wW‡jW, Rvw÷m wWbvBÕ K_vwU mZ¨ cÖgvwYZ nq| GKwU D`vniY w`B| mvMi-i“wb PvÂj¨Ki GKwU NUbv †hLv‡b Avcbviv, mvsevw`K MYgva¨g mswkøó| Gi ciI cÖK…Z Lywb †K, Zv wK †ei Ki‡Z †c‡i‡Qb? Ô†Kó †eUvB †PviÕ GUv evbv‡Z wM‡q wbixn, hv‡`i †Kv‡bv ai‡bi m¤ú…³Zv †bB, Zv‡`i m‡›`nfvRb wn‡m‡e AvUK K‡i eQ‡ii ci eQi AvU‡K ivLv n‡q‡Q| AvB‡bi kvm‡bi Ici Gi †P‡q eo AvNvZ Avi Kx n‡Z cv‡i? G¸‡jv †Zv Avgiv Anin †`LwQ| Zvn‡j Avgiv Kx K‡i eje †h †`‡k AvB‡bi kvmb cÖwZwôZ n‡q‡Q? Z‡e Avgiv mevB cÖZ¨vkv Kwi, AvB‡bi kvmb cÖwZwôZ †nvK|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: AvB‡bi kvm‡bi Abycw¯’wZ I gvbevwaKv‡ii m¤úK© hw` GKUy ¯úó K‡ib…
wgRvbyi ingvb: AvB‡bi kvm‡bi m‡½ gvbevwaKv‡ii wbweo m¤úK© Av‡Q| Avcwb hw` GKwU Aciva K‡ib, wKš‘ Avcbvi bvbv ai‡bi cÖfv‡ei Kvi‡Y ev iv‡óªi m‡½ bvbvwea m¤ú‡K©i Kvi‡Y ivóª hw` e¨e¯’v wb‡Z AcviMZv cÖKvk K‡i ev Awb”QyK nq ev Ab¨ †Kv‡bv Ac‡KŠkj e¨envi K‡i, Avcbv‡K AvB‡bi ¯úk© †_‡K `~‡i ivL‡Z Pvq, Zvn‡j †mLv‡b gvbevwaKv‡ii j·Nb nq| ZLb Avi AvB‡bi kvmb _vK‡Q bv| AvB‡bi kvmb `ye©j n‡q co‡Q| Gi cÖfvewU gvbevwaKv‡ii Ici c‡o| G iKg NUbv †h GLv‡b NU‡Q bv, Zv ej‡Z cvie bv| †hgb ai“b, GKRb `wi`Ö gvbyl, wZwb Zuvi †g‡q‡K we‡q w`‡q‡Qb| †g‡q‡K k¦ïievwoi †jvKRb †g‡i †djj| Zviv GKUy cqmvIqvjv n‡j _vbvq welqwU‡K nZ¨v gvgjv wn‡m‡e Awf‡hvMB †b‡e bv| Awf‡hvM wb‡jI Z`š— †k‡l GKUv P~ovš— wi‡cvU© w`‡q †`‡e †h GUv nZ¨v gvgjv bq| Avcbviv gvnRvex‡bi (wPwKrmK kvgvi“L gvnRvexb) †KmUv GKUy †`‡Lb| Zuvi evev cÖ‡KŠkjx| wKš‘ ivR‰bwZK GK ai‡bi cÖfv‡e †cv÷g‡U©g wi‡cvU© cv‡ë hv‡”Q| Avgiv MYgva¨g †_‡K hZUyKy Rvb‡Z †c‡iwQ, G‡Z g‡b n‡”Q †cv÷g‡U©g wi‡cvU©wU GKwU AmZ¨ wi‡cvU©| wPwKrmKB w`‡q‡Qb G wi‡cvU©| Zvi gv‡b Kx? UvKvi Kv‡Q mevB wewK‡q hv‡”Q| d‡j b¨vqwePvi nvwi‡q hv‡”Q| gvby‡li gvbevwaKvi myiw¶Z _vK‡Q bv|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: gvnRvex‡bi †KmUvi †¶‡Î Kwgkb Kx ai‡bi f~wgKv cvjb Ki‡Q?
wgRvbyi ingvb: hLb gvgjv wePvivaxb, ZLb Kwgk‡bi c‡¶ Kivi wKQy _v‡K bv| Z‡e A‡bK mgq Avgiv AvBb‡K D‡c¶v K‡i n‡jI wKQy c`‡¶c wbB| Z‡e Zv wePv‡i cÖfve †dj‡e †mB ai‡bi Z`š— Kwi bv| b¨vqwePv‡ii ¯^v‡_© ZLb Avgiv `vwe Kwi Ggb GKRb wPwKrmK ev †evW©‡K w`‡q †cv÷g‡U©g Kiv‡bv †nvK, hv‡Z MÖnY‡hvM¨Zv †c‡Z cv‡i| b¨vqwePv‡ii †¶‡Î hv‡Z †Kv‡bv cÖwZeÜKZv m…wó bv K‡i, †mwU PvIqv wbðqB AvB‡bi j·Nb bq| Avgiv mvaviYZ †mB KvR KiwQ| gvnRvex‡bi †K‡m †Zgb wKQy K‡iwQ wK bv, g‡b Ki‡Z cviwQ bv| Z‡e RvbœvwZ bv‡gi †g‡qwUi †ejvq Kivi †Póv Pj‡Q| †g‡qwU wb‡RB `yN©Ubvi wkKvi| GLb Zuv‡K nZ¨vKvix ev nZ¨vq mnvqZvKvix wn‡m‡e †`Lv‡bvi †h Ac‡Póv Pj‡Q Zv Rvbv‡Z Zuvi cwiev‡ii m`m¨iv G‡mwQ‡jb Kwgk‡bi Kv‡Q| mvg‡b Kwgk‡bi mfvq wm×vš— n‡e| Kwgk‡bi c¶ †_‡K G gvgjvwU wb‡q jovB Kivi wm×vš— G‡j Zuvi n‡q Avgiv AvBwb jovB‡q AeZxY© ne|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: Kwgk‡bi G ch©š— hZ AR©b, Zv wK h‡_ó e‡j g‡b K‡ib?
wgRvbyi ingvb: G †¶‡Î Avwg Me© K‡iB ej‡Z cvwi mxgve×Zv, Rbe‡ji msKU, Avw_©K msKU, jwRw÷K mv‡cv‡U©i ¯^íZvi ciI Avgiv hv K‡iwQ, Zv Ab¨ Avi KviI c‡¶ Kiv m¤¢e bv| Kwgkb‡K Ggb GKUv RvqMvq wb‡q †h‡Z †c‡iwQ, †hLv‡b mvaviY gvbyl hw` †Kv‡bv ms¯’vi Ici Av¯’v iv‡L, †Zv †m n‡”Q gvbevwaKvi Kwgkb| Zviv Rv‡b, GLv‡b Zv‡`i nqivwb n‡Z n‡e bv| †nb¯—v n‡Z n‡e bv| cqmv LiP Ki‡Z n‡e bv| GLv‡b `yb©xwZi †Kv‡bv ¯’vb †bB| GwU mZ¨ wn‡m‡e cÖwZwôZ e‡jB Kwgk‡b Awf‡hvMcÖvwßi msL¨v 300 fv‡Mi †ewk n‡q †M‡Q| Ab¨ †Kv_vI wM‡q Zviv cÖwZKvi cv‡”Q bv ev cÖwZKvi cvIqvi m¤¢vebv GZUvB ¶xY †h, Zviv Kwgk‡bi Kv‡Q Awf‡hvM Rvbv‡Z †ewk ¯^w¯—Ki g‡b Ki‡Q| GKUv cwieZ©b, Zdvr Avb‡Z m¶g n‡qwQ| ïay mvaviY gvbyl bq, miKvwi Awdm I Kg©KZ©vivI Kwgkb‡K kÖ×vi †Pv‡L †`L‡Q| GB kÖ×vi RvqMvwU‡K gReyZ Ki‡Z n‡e| †hb Avgv‡`i †Kv‡bv mycvwik ïay mycvwik wn‡m‡eB bv _v‡K| mycvwikUv †h Zv‡`i cÖwZcvjb Ki‡Z n‡e, †m RvqMvUv ˆZwi Ki‡Z n‡e| GL‡bv A‡b‡K fve‡Q, Kwgkb e‡j‡Q, Zv Avgiv Kijvg bv| gvbjvg bv|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: †Kv‡bv e¨w³ ev ms¯’v Kvj‡¶cY Ki‡j Zv ivóªcwZ‡K Rvbv‡Z cv‡i Kwgkb…
wgRvbyi ingvb: Kwgkb GLb ch©š— G nvwZqviwU e¨envi K‡iwb| ¯^ivóª gš¿Yvjq‡K GKwU wel‡q Avgiv 19 evi ZvMv`v w`‡qwQ| GLb K¨vwe‡bU †m‡µUvwi‡K †jLv n‡e| mgqmxgv wba©viY K‡i †`Iqv n‡e| Zvi ciI hw` KvR bv nq, ZLb Avgiv gnvgvb¨ ivóªcwZi `…wó AvKl©‡Yi †Póv Kie| Avgiv av‡c av‡c AMÖmi nw”Q| †KŠkjMZfv‡e KvR Kivi †Póv Pvjvw”Q|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: Kwgk‡bi †Pqvig¨vb wn‡m‡e Avcwb cÖ_g w`‡K miKv‡ii wewfbœ welq wb‡q †h fvlvq mgv‡jvPbv Ki‡Zb, GLb Avi Avgiv Zv †`L‡Z cvw”Q bv| Avcwb Kx †Kv‡bv Pv‡ci gy‡L Av‡Qb?
wgRvbyi ingvb: (†n‡m) miKv‡ii mgv‡jvPbv KivB Kwgk‡bi GKgvÎ KvR bq| iv‡óªi wei“‡× KvR, Avevi ivóª‡K Av¯’vq wb‡qB KvR Av`vq Ki‡Z nq| wewPÎ I A™¢yZ ai‡bi m¤úK©| kÎyfvevcbœ m¤úK© ˆZwi K‡i c…w_exi †Kv_vI †Kv‡bv Kwgkb KvR Ki‡Z mdj nqwb| Z‡e hLb miKv‡ii mgv‡jvPbv Kiv cÖ‡qvRb, mvayev` Rvbv‡bv cÖ‡qvRb—meB Kiv n‡”Q| G Qvov miKv‡ii mgv‡jvPbv Ki‡Z wM‡q Avgiv Ggb †Kv‡bv cwiw¯’wZi m…wó Ki‡Z cvwi bv, hv Rw½ev`, mš¿vmev`‡K Dm‡K w`‡Z cv‡i; hv gvbevwaKv‡ii †¶‡Î AviI †ewk ûgwK n‡q †`Lv w`‡Z cv‡i| ZvB Avgv‡`i bvbvwea †KŠkj mvg‡b †i‡L KvR Ki‡Z nq| G Qvov †Kv‡bv gš¿x e³e¨ ev e³…Zvq Avgv‡K wb‡q wKQy ej‡j Zuv‡K Avwg Pvc g‡b Kwi bv| wb‡f©Rvj mZ¨, cÖavbgš¿xi `ßi ev ivóªcwZi Kvh©vjq †_‡K KL‡bvB †Kv‡bv iKg wb‡`©k, Av‡`k, Aby‡iva ev Dc‡`k w`‡q †Kv‡bv evZ©v cvVv‡bv nqwb| Aš—Z Avgvi Kv‡Q †`qv nqwb; eis D‡ëvwU n‡q‡Q| ivóªcwZ e‡j‡Qb, Avgvi Kv‡R †KD n¯—‡¶c Ki‡j Zv †hb Zuv‡K RvbvB| hLb `y-GKRb gš¿x Avgvi bv‡g gš—e¨ K‡i‡Qb, Zv cÖavbgš¿x‡K Rvwb‡qwQ| cÖavbgš¿x‡K e‡jwQjvg, gš¿xiv †hfv‡e gš—e¨ Ki‡Qb, Zv Kwgkb ev miKv‡ii Rb¨ ïfevZ©v enb Ki‡Q bv| G‡Z A‡b‡KB g‡b Ki‡Z cv‡ib Avgv‡`i Kv‡R n¯—‡¶c Kiv n‡”Q| we‡`‡ki Kv‡QI fyj evZ©v †h‡Z cv‡i| cÖavbgš¿x mivmwi e‡j‡Qb, ÔwgRvb, Avwg wK wKQy e‡jwQ?Õ Avwg e‡jwQ, Ôbv?Õ ZLb wZwb e‡j‡Qb, ÔZywg †Zvgvi g‡Zv K‡i KvR Pvwj‡q hvI|Õ cÖavbgš¿x †ev‡Sb, Kwgk‡bi ¯^vaxbZv †Kgb _vKv cÖ‡qvRb| †m j‡¶¨B wZwb jvB‡mÝ w`‡q‡Qb| Z‡e Rbej msKU, A_© Li‡Pi mxgve×Zvmn wewfbœ welq mgvavb bv K‡i miKvi Avgv‡`i Kv‡R BbWvB‡i±fv‡e evav w`‡”Q ev cÖwZeÜKZv ˆZwi Ki‡Q, Zv †Zv ejvB hvq| Z‡e Rbej msKU Lye wkMwMi `~i n‡e e‡j Avkv KiwQ| 2015 mv‡j Kwgk‡bi Kv‡Ri MwZ AviI evo‡e|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: Kwgk‡bi ev Avcbvi mvg‡b GB gyn~‡Z© me‡P‡q eo P¨v‡jÄ †KvbwU?
wgRvbyi ingvb: Avgvi eo B”Qv I ¯^cœ wQj Avgvi †gqv‡`B †hb †`ke¨vcx gvbevwaKvi K…wó cÖwZôvi Aš—Z cÖv_wgK wfwË ˆZwi Ki‡Z cvwi| G KvRwU Ki‡Z †`ke¨vcx †h cwigvY m‡PZbZvg~jK Kvh©µg cwiPvjbv Kiv cÖ‡qvRb wQj, Zv Ki‡Z cvwiwb| Avgiv GLb ch©š— cÖwZwU MÖv‡g, cÖwZwU N‡i †cŠuQv‡Z cvwiwb| GwUB Kwgkb I Avgvi Rb¨ eo P¨v‡jÄ|
cÖ_g Av‡jv: Avgv‡`i‡K mgq †`Iqvi Rb¨ Avcbv‡K A‡bK ab¨ev`|
wgRvbyi ingvb: cÖ_g Av‡jv‡KI A‡bK ab¨ev`| MYgva¨‡gi mnvqZv Qvov Kwgkb Lye †ewk wKQy Ki‡Z cvi‡e bv|
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