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Avnmvb nvexe RbwcÖq KvU©ywb÷ Ges gvwmK m¨vUvqvi g¨vMvwRb ÔDb¥v`Õ m¤úv`K Ges cÖKvkK| evsjv‡`‡ki cÖ_g mvwii GB KvU©ywb‡÷i KvU©yb AuvKvi nv‡ZLwo nq wb‡Ri N‡i e‡mB| Zvi AuvKv KvU©yb cÖ_g cÖKvwkZ nq Ô†WBwj AeRvifviÕ-G 1975 mv‡j| f~‡Mvj wel‡q †`‡ki m‡e©v”P we`¨vcxV †_‡K mœvZ‡KvËi †kl K‡i e¨vs‡Ki PvKwi K‡i‡Qb wKQyw`b| wKš‘ Mreuvav PvKwi‡Z gb †U‡Kwb| nvj a‡i‡Qb ÔDb¥v`Õ-Gi| Zvi Av‡iKwU wcÖq welq †RvKm| †RvKm msMÖn I m…wó KivUv Zvi evwZKI ejv P‡j| wb‡R‡K G Rb¨ ÔMª¨vÛ dv`vi Ae †RvKmÕ e‡j VvÆvI K‡ib| KvU©yb, †RvKm-Gi cvkvcvwk ig¨ †jLK wn‡m‡eI wZwb AmvaviY RbwcÖq| Avnmvb nvex‡ei mv¶vrKvi wb‡q‡Qb Zvcm ivq|
Zvcm ivq : Avcbvi evev mvwnZ¨gbv wQ‡jb| cieZ©x‡Z Avcbv‡`i wZb fvB‡qi g‡a¨B GB ¸YwU Avgiv †`L‡Z cvB| cÖkœ n‡jv, G †¶‡Î Avcbvi evevi cÖfve KZUyKy?
Avnmvb nvexe : †Q‡j‡ejvq Avgv‡`i evwo‡Z †jLv‡jwLi cÖwZ‡hvwMZv n‡Zv| evev GUv Ki‡Zb| fv‡jv n‡j cyi¯‹viI cvIqv †hZ| mßv‡n Aš—Z GKwU †jLv Zvi Kv‡Q Rgv w`‡Z n‡Zv| Avgiv fvB †ev‡biv †KD Mí, †KD KweZv wjLZvg| Avwg ZLb fxlY Drmv‡n Mí wj‡L evev‡K †`LvZvg| GgbwK evev Nywg‡q _vK‡j †W‡K Zy‡j Mí c‡o †kvbvZvg| Zvici †mB Mí Av‡`Š n‡q‡Q wK nqwb †Zvqv°v bv K‡iB bv‡Qvoev›`v n‡q evevi Kv‡Q cyi¯‹vi PvBZvg| evev ZLb eva¨ n‡q gv‡K ej‡Zb, Avgv‡K Pvi Avbv w`‡Z|
ïay Avgv‡`i fvB-†evb bq, cokx‡`i †Q‡j‡g‡q‡`iI evev Gfv‡e Drmvn w`‡Zb| evev cywj‡k PvKwi Ki‡Zb, A_P mvwnZ¨, ms¯‹…wZi cÖwZ Zvi fxlY AbyivM wQj| ûgvq~b Avn‡g‡`i wngyi PwiÎwU wKš‘ evevi KvQ †_‡KB cvIqv| GKevi wZwb B‡”Q nIqvq †eZ‡bi cy‡iv UvKv w`‡q †Nvov wK‡b evwo‡Z wb‡q G‡mwQ‡jb| †mB mgq Zvi GKwU K¨v‡givI wQj| wb‡RB Qwe Zy‡j Iqvk Ki‡Zb| mgq †c‡jB iv‡Z evwo‡Z Mv‡bi Avmi emv‡Zb, R½‡j Nyo‡Z †h‡Zb-Ggb me A™¢~Z kL wQj Zvi| wngy wKš‘ Lye kã K‡i Kywj K‡i| GB ¯^fveUv eveviI wQj| ûgvq~b Avn‡g` †mLvb †_‡KB GUv wb‡q‡Qb| myZivs Zvi cÖfve KZUv wQj †evSvB hv‡”Q|
Av¤§v K¬vm Uy‡Z e…wË †c‡qwQ‡jb| Zvi wKQy Mí ÔwW‡Uw±fÕ cwÎKvq cÖKvwkZ n‡q‡Q| †mLv‡b evevI wjL‡Zb| evevi Drmv‡nB Avgiv †Q‡j‡ejvq evwo‡Z nv‡Z wj‡L cwÎKv evbvZvg| †m¸‡jvi we‡kl msL¨v n‡Zv| †hgb we‡q msL¨v, ågY msL¨v| GB †iIqvR GLbI Av‡Q|
Zvcm ivq : MíKvi bq, Avcbvi Ab¨Zg cwiPq Avcwb KvU©ywb÷| KvU©y‡b AvMÖnx n‡jb Kxfv‡e?
Avnmvb nvexe : KLbI fvwewb KvU©yb AuvKe| Avm‡j †gR fvB gyn¤§` Rvdi BKevj‡K †`‡LB welqwUi cÖwZ AvMÖn R‡b¥| A‡b‡KB Rv‡bb bv, wZwb wKš‘ KvU©yb AuvK‡Zb| 1972 mv‡j ˆ`wbK ÔMYKÉÕ cwÎKvq wZwb Gu‡K‡Qb|
Zvcm ivq : ÔDb¥v`Õ-Gi m‡½ hy³ n‡jb Kxfv‡e?
Avnmvb nvexe : BkwZqvK †nv‡mb, KvRx Lvwj` Avkivd I mvBdyj n‡Ki D‡`¨v‡M 1978 mv‡ji †g gv‡m ÔDb¥v`Õ ˆÎgvwmK wn‡m‡e cÖ_g cÖKvwkZ nq| ZLb 64 c…ôv Db¥v‡`i g~j¨ wQj 2 UvKv| Avwg wØZxq msL¨v †_‡K Gi m‡½ hy³ nB| wKš‘ fxlY cvVKwcÖq nIqv m‡Ë¡I 8 msL¨v ch©š— †ei“‡bvi ci nVvr Db¥v‡`i hvÎv †_‡g hvq| KviY m¤úv`K, cÖKvk‡Kiv ZLb †h hvi Ab¨ e¨emv wb‡q e¨¯— n‡q I‡Vb| A‡b‡K K¨vwiqvi †W‡fj‡ci Rb¨ we‡`k hvb| AvwgI e¨vs‡Ki PvKwi‡Z †hvM w`B| wKš‘ Mreuvav e¨vs‡Ki PvKwi fv‡jv jv‡Mwb| fvejvg, ÔDb¥v`Õ bZyb K‡i ïi“ Ki‡j †Kgb nq? †mB fvebv †_‡KB Avwg gvwmK wn‡m‡e bZyb K‡i ÔDb¥v`Õ ïi“ Kwi|
Zvcm ivq : 36 eQi a‡i ÔDb¥v`Õ cÖKvwkZ n‡”Q| GKwU m¨vUvqvi g¨vMvwR‡bi GB `xN© mgq a‡i cÖKv‡ki NUbv weij| welqwU Kxfv‡e e¨vL¨v Ki‡eb?
Avnmvb nvexe : GUvi KviY ÔDb¥v`Õ me mgq Zi“Y‡`i cwÎKv n‡qB †_‡K‡Q| wK‡kvi, Zi“Yiv hLb GKUy eo n‡q hvq ZLb Zviv Avi Db¥v‡`i cvVK _v‡K bv| †m RvqMvUv m`¨ Zi“‡Yiv `Lj K‡i †bq| ZvQvov Db¥v‡`i GKUv wbR¯^ K¨v‡i±vi Av‡Q| Avgiv Db¥v‡`i gva¨‡g mvgvwRK, ivR‰bwZK I ˆbwZK mgm¨v¸‡jv e¨½vZ¥K I imvZ¥Kfv‡e Zy‡j aivi †Póv Kwi wb‡R‡`i m‡PZb Kivi Rb¨| GLv‡b ÔDb¥v`Õ wb‡R Db¥v‡`i f~wgKvq †_‡K Avm‡j ej‡Z Pvq ÔAvwg Db¥v`, wKš‘ Avcwb wK my¯’?Õ
Zvcm ivq : ivR‰bwZK mgm¨v¸‡jv e¨½vZ¥Kfv‡e Zy‡j ai‡Z wM‡q KLbI Kx weeÖZKi Ae¯’vi m¤§yLxb n‡Z n‡q‡Q?
Avnmvb nvexe : Gikv‡`i kvmbvg‡j Gikv`‡K e¨½ K‡i KvU©yb AuvK‡Z wM‡q Pv‡ci gy‡L co‡Z n‡qwQj| MYAfy¨Ìv‡bi ci mv‡eK GB ˆ¯^ikvmK‡K e¨½ K‡i mv‡o ewÎkZg msL¨v †ei K‡iwQjvg| cwÎKvi BwZnv‡m GUv bwRiwenxi NUbv| G Qvov evsjv Pjw”PÎ welqK e¨½vZ¥K KvU©yb cÖKv‡ki Kvi‡YI †ek K‡qKevi nvgjv Ges ûgwK-avgwKi wkKvi n‡qwQ| GgbwK Db¥v` Kvh©vjq fvOPyiI n‡q‡Q|
Zvcm ivq : e¨w³Rxe‡b Db¥v` wb‡q AwfÁZv?
Avnmvb nvexe : (nvwm w`‡q) †m †Zv i‡q‡QB| we‡qUvB †Zv †f‡¯— †h‡Z e‡mwQj| KviY †g‡qi cwievi me mgqB Pvq †Q‡ji †ckvRxe‡bi wbðqZv| Avwg ÔDb¥v`Õ cwÎKvi m¤úv`K GB cwiPqUv Zv‡`i Kv‡Q Ôejvi g‡ZvÕ g‡b nqwb| A_P Gi Av‡M wKš‘ Avwg e¨vs‡K wQjvg| wKš‘ wKQy‡ZB gvbv‡Z cviwQjvg bv| A_P we‡qi K_v Pj‡Q| ZLb gv e‡jwQj, Av‡M we‡qUv †nvK Zvici PvKwiUv †Q‡o w`m| wKš‘ Zvi Av‡MB PvKwi †Q‡o ÔDb¥v`Õ wb‡q e¨¯— n‡q covq cvÎxc¶ †eu‡K e‡m| Avgvi ¯¿xi Kvi‡YB †kl ch©š— Avgv‡`i we‡qUv n‡qwQj|
Zvcm ivq : mv‡o ewÎkZg msL¨v †ei K‡iwQ‡jb| Avcbv‡`i me wKQyB Db¥v`xq| GZ AvBwWqv †Kv_vq cvb?
Avnmvb nvexe : IB †h ejjvg Zvi“Y¨| AvR hviv cÖwZwôZ KvU©ywb÷ G‡`i A‡b‡KiB Db¥v‡` nv‡ZLwo n‡q‡Q| Zi“Yiv me mgqB AvBwWqvevR| Avwg Aek¨ G‡`i AvBwWqvwb÷ ewj| ÔZv‡`i gv_vq wKjwej K‡i AvBwWqv, DB‡cvKv e‡j LvB wMqvÕ e¨vcviUv Ggb AviwK!
Db¥v‡`i me Kvh©µg Db¥v`xq-GUv wVK| †hgb GLvbKvi †KDB Pvi“Kjvq c‡obwb, A_P Zviv fv‡jv Auv‡Kb| ïi“‡Z Av‡iv gRvi gRvi NUbv N‡U‡Q| †hgb Avgv‡`i wU‡gi hv‡`i we‡q n‡Zv bv, Avgiv †Rvi K‡i Zv‡K wbe©vnx m¤úv`K evwb‡q w`Zvg| AevK e¨vcvi n‡jv Gici Zvi we‡q n‡q †hZ|
Zvcm ivq : Avcbv‡K Ô†RvKm Ae MÖvÛdv`viÕ ejv nq| †RvKm wK mvwnZ¨?
Avnmvb nvexe : †RvKm n‡jv wgwb‡qPvi wjUv‡iPvi| KviY †KD GKRb e‡jwQ‡jb, evRv‡ii d`© hw` fv‡jv K‡i †jLv nq Zvn‡jI †mLv‡b mvwnZ¨ dy‡U I‡V| G K_v Abyhvqx †KŠZyK‡KI mvwnZ¨ ejv hvq| GUv wKš‘ ïay nvwmi welq bq, GLv‡b A‡bK wk¶Yxq welq i‡q‡Q| †hgb GK †jvK `yB AvOyj †`wL‡q ejj, 5Uv wWg `vI|
†`vKvbx ejj, Avcwb PvB‡Qb 5Uv wWg A_P †`Lv‡”Qb `yB AvOyj- Gi gv‡b Kx?
†jvKwU ejj, Avwg †ivgvb ni‡d 5 †`wL‡qwQ|
GUv wKš‘ wk¶Yxq †RvKm| †RvK‡mi Ggb A‡bK K¬vwmwd‡Kkb Av‡Q|
Zvcm ivq : wKš‘ cwjwUK¨vj †RvKm wK me mgq mZ¨ NUbv wb‡q nq? G‡Z †Zv MwmcI _v‡K|
Avnmvb nvexe : Avgiv mevB Rvwb AvBRvK wbDUb Av‡cj Mv‡Qi wb‡P e‡m gnvKl© m~Î Avwe®‹vi K‡iwQ‡jb| wKš‘ GUv †Zv wVK bq| Avmj NUbv n‡jv, Zvi Kv‡Q mevB GB m~Î Kxfv‡e Avwe®‹…Z n‡jv GUv Rvb‡Z PvBZ| gvby‡li G wb‡q †KŠZ~nj wQj| d‡j wZwb GKevi wei³ n‡q e‡jwQ‡jb, Av‡cj Mv‡Qi wb‡P e‡m _vK‡Z _vK‡Z †c‡qwQ| †mB †_‡K mevB a‡i wbj GUvB mZ¨| cwjwUK¨vj †RvKm A‡bKUv GiKg| Z‡e †mwj‡eÖwU †RvKm wKš‘ mZ¨ NUbv wb‡q nq|
Zvcm ivq : †hgb?
Avnmvb nvexe : KvRx Av‡bvqvi †nv‡mb‡K GKevi m¨vi wb‡e©va w`‡q evK¨iPbv Ki‡Z ej‡jb| wZwb ej‡jb, Avgvi evev (KvRx †gvZvnvi †nv‡mb) GKUv wb‡e©va|
G K_v ï‡b m¨vi agK w`‡q ej‡jb, †eqv`e! evev m¤ú‡K© G K_v ej‡Z †Zvi j¾v Kij bv| KvRx Av‡bvqvi †nv‡mb AevK n‡q ej‡jb, †Kb? Avgvi gv †Zv evev‡K me mgq ZvB e‡j|
GUv †mwj‡eÖwU †RvKm| Z‡e †mwj‡eÖwU †RvKm-Gi wKQy wec` Av‡Q| GKevi wgbvi gvngy` wbDBq‡K© U¨vw· Pvjvw”Q‡jb| U¨vw· Av‡ivnx nVvr Zv‡K cÖkœ Ki‡jb, Zywg evsjv‡`‡ki †jwLKv Zmwjgv bvmixb‡K †Pb?
wgbvi gvngy` ej‡jb, n¨uv, wZwb Avgvi ¯¿x|
ï‡b †mB Av‡ivnx wgbvi gvngy`‡K gvZvj g‡b K‡i cywj‡k w`‡qwQ‡jb| KviY wZwb †f‡ewQ‡jb, weL¨vZ GKRb †jwLKvi ¯^vgx GLv‡b U¨vw· Pvjv‡e †Kb?
GB NUbv Avwg †RvKm-G wj‡LwQjvg| GKw`b ïwb wgbvi gvngy` XvKvq G‡m‡Q Ges Avgv‡K LyuR‡Q| ï‡b Avwg Nve‡o wM‡qwQjvg| wKš‘ †kl ch©š— †Zgb wKQy N‡Uwb| Z‡e Avwg †ek fq †c‡qwQjvg|
Zvcm ivq : †RvKm-Gi eB gv‡bB †Zv msKjb MÖš’| Avi msKjb cvVK cÖKvkK †KDB ¸i“Z¡c~Y© fv‡eb bv| A_P Avcwb ARmÖ welq wb‡q †RvKm-Gi eB wj‡L‡Qb|
Avnmvb nvexe : †K ¸i“Z¡ w`j ev bv w`j G¸‡jv wb‡q fvwe bv| Avwg †RvKm msMÖn Kwi, Zvici †m¸‡jv m¤úv`bv Kwi| †RvKm-Gi eB `…wób›`b K‡i cÖKv‡ki e¨e¯’v Kwi| GUv Ki‡Z wM‡q bZyb A‡bK †RvKm Ggwb‡ZB ˆZwi n‡q hvq| Avwg Gevi eB‡gjvq wi‡qj jvBd †RvKm-Gi eB KiwQ| GB †Zv †mw`b, Av¤§vi Rb¨ Avg wKb‡Z wM‡q †`vKvbx‡K ejjvg, Avg wgwó n‡e †Zv?
†`vKvbx wmwiqvm K‡É ejj, Avcbvi Wvqv‡ewUm _vK‡j wb‡qb bv|
Avwg Gfv‡e cÖPyi †RvKm †c‡q hvB| Avm‡j KvU©yb ev †RvKm G¸‡jv Ki‡Z n‡j †PvL, Kvb †Lvjv ivL‡Z nq| Gi weKí †bB|
Zvcm ivq : †RvKm wb‡q cv‡ki †`‡k †Uwjwfkb Abyôvb n‡”Q| GLv‡b n‡”Q bv|
Avnmvb nvexe : †RvKm wb‡q Iiv †cÖvMÖvg Ki‡Q bv| KviY †RvKm ejv Ges K‡gwW Kiv wfbœ wRwbm| Iiv †RvKm e¨envi K‡i K‡gwW Ki‡Q| KviY I‡`i A‡bK †RvKm †evSv hvq bv| I‡`i †cÖ‡R‡›Ukb †Zv †RvKvi‡`i g‡Zv| A_P †RvKm ej‡Z n‡e VvÐv gv_vq| †h ej‡e †m _vK‡e wbwe©Kvi, †h ïb‡e †m †n‡m jy‡UvcywU Lv‡e| Av‡iKwU K_v, WvwU© †RvKm wKš‘ me †`‡kB Av‡Q| wKš‘ †mUv eB‡qi cvZvq| IUv wfRy¨qvwj m¤¢e bv| A_P Iiv wKš‘ †m †PóvI Ki‡Q|
Zvcm ivq : KvU©ywb÷ Ges wPÎwkíxi cv_©K¨ †Kv_vq?
Avnmvb nvexe : KvU©ywb÷ PvB‡j fv‡jv †cBw›Us Ki‡Z cv‡i, wKš— GKRb wPÎwkíx PvB‡jB KvU©yb AuvK‡Z cvi‡e bv| AZxZ †_‡K Ggb eû D`vniY †`qv hv‡e| KvU©ywb÷‡K Aek¨B wnDgvi eyS‡Z n‡e| cwjwUK¨vj KvU©yb G †`‡k †ek RbwcÖq| Avgvi g‡Z, cwjwUK¨vj KvU©yb wm¤^wjK nIqv DwPZ|
Zvcm ivq : Gev‡i GKUy Ab¨ cÖm‡½ ewj| m¤úÖwZ ûgvq~b Avn‡g‡`i g„Zy¨ wb‡q bZyb weZ‡K©i Ac‡Póv Avgiv j¶¨ KiwQ …|
Avnmvb nvexe : †`Lyb GUv wVK †h, ûgvq~b Avn‡g` K¨vÝv‡i gviv hvbwb, wZwb nvU© A¨vUv‡K gviv †M‡Qb| KviY K¨vÝv‡ii Rb¨ †Zv mdj A¯¿‡cvPvi n‡qwQj| Zv‡K evmvq wb‡q Avmv n‡qwQj| hw` †mw`b iv‡Z wZwb †Pqvi †_‡K c‡o bv †h‡Zb Zvn‡j nq‡Zv Ggb NU‡Zv bv| AmveavbZvekZ †nvK wKsev †hfv‡eB †nvK, IUv wQj GKUv `yN©Ubv| myZivs GUv †g‡b wb‡Z n‡e|
ZvQvov IB mgq Zvi cv‡k hviv wQ‡jb Zviv ûgvq~b Avn‡g‡`i wPwKrmvaxb Ae¯’vq me mgqB cv‡k wQ‡jb| d‡j G wb‡q weZ‡K©i AeKvk †bB| Av‡iKwU e¨vcvi fy‡j †M‡j Pj‡e bv| kvIb‡K wZwb cQ›` K‡i we‡q K‡iwQ‡jb| Zv‡`i †QvU `y‡Uv mš—vb i‡q‡Q| Zv‡`i fwel¨‡Zi K_v wPš—v K‡i ûgvq~b Avn‡g‡`i g„Zy¨ wb‡q A‡nZyK weZK© m…wó Kiv DwPZ KvR bq| BD‡iv wbDR
