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KvMR: miKvi mvsweavwbKfv�e �ea, wK�� Avcbviv ej�Qb A�ea| �Kb?
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KvMR: A�b�KB ej�Qb, RvgvqvZ Av��`vj�b �bB, weGbwcI �bB
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KvMR: Avcwb hye`�ji mfvcwZ| hye`j GLb A�bKUvB wbw��q| hye`j Av��`vj�b �bB �Kb?
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KvMR: Zv�iK ingvb, weGbwci wmwbqi fvBm �Pqvig�vb| m���wZ wZwb wKQy weZ�K�i m~�cvZ K�i�Qb| Zvi `vwe, wRqvDi ingvbB �`�ki c�_g iv�cwZ! e�e�z �`�ki A�ea c�avbg��x wQ�jb! PvB�jB wK BwZnvm cwieZ�b Kiv hvq?
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�gvqv��g �nv�mb Avjvj: Zv�iK ingvb �h K_v��jv e�j�Qb, wZwb `vwjwjK Z_�-Dcv� Dc��vcb K�i e�j�Qb! Ges �mB ���� eZ�gvb miKv�ii m�� RwoZ i�q�Q wKsev e�e�zi Av`�k� wek�vmx hviv mvnmx gyw��hv�viv i�q�Qb, Zv�`i �jLv �_�K D`vniY w`�q�Qb| `vwjwjK K_vevZ�v e�j�Qb! wK�� Zvi c�wZev�` AvIqvgx jx�Mi wmwbqi �bZ�e��` �h nv�i c�wZw�qv m�w� K�i�Q, GUv A�kvfb, wk�vPviewnf�~Z| Zv�`iI DwPZ `vwjwjKfv�e GB K_v��jv AmZ� c�gvY Kiv|
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KvMR: Zv�iK ingv�bi GB e�e� wK �K�kjMZ? Avcwb wK Zv�iK ingv�bi e�e� wek�vm K�ib? mwVK e�j g�b K�ib?
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KvMR: Avcwb �iK�W�i K_v ej�jb, wK�� wRqvDi ingv�bi K�� aviYK�Z K_v �Zv Avcbvi K_v c�gvY K�i bv| �`�ki msweavb, 26 gvP� �^vaxbZv w`em, �`�k-we�`�k msiw�Z `wjj-`��v�eR, wek�wgwWqvq _vKv Z_�vw` �Zv �m K_v e�j bv| wRqvDi ingvb �Zv e�e�zi c�� 27 gvP� �NvlYvc�wU cvV K�iwQ�jb...
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�gvqv��g �nv�mb Avjvj: 27 gvP� wQj �m�K� wWK�v�ikb, c�_g wQj 26 gvP�! e�e�z �^vaxbZv �NvlYv K�i�Qb GUv �Zv `vwjwjKfv�e c�gvY Kiv hv�eB| KviY �^vaxbZvi ci ciB AvIqvgx jxMB �Zv miKvi MVb K�iwQj| AvIqvgx jx�Mi `jxq miKvi MwVZ n�qwQj| gyw�hy��i miKvi �Zv MwVZ nqwb| Zviv wb�Ri g�Zv K�i wj�L�Q| cw�Kv �Kv�bv welq bq, cw�Kv n�jv GKwU Dcv�| Avcwb, c�_gv c�Kvk�bi gyw�hy��i cy�ivfvM K�_vcK_b �`�Lb, mwdDj�vni evsjv�`k A�vWIqvW� �`�Lb, fvi�Zi hwZ�mb ���i �evsjv�`k wjev�ikb Iqvi �`�Lb, �WwfW d���i m�� �kL gywR�ei mv�vrKvi �`�Lb, Bw�iv Mv�xi 1971 mv�ji �m�ޤ^i gv�m Av�gwiKvq GK wek�we`�vj�qi �z�W�U Kb�fbk�b e�e� �`�Lb, Zvn�j c�gvY cv�eb|
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KvMR: �ZZvwj�k eQi ci G�m GB `vwe Kx Kvi�Y?
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�gvqv��g �nv�mb Avjvj: BwZnv�m wKQy welq _v�K, me mgq g�b Kiv wKsev AvewZ�Z Ki�j gvbyl g�b Ki�e �h AcևqvRbxq wRwbm wb�q Av�jvPbv n��Q, Gi �P�q �`�ki eZ�gvb mgm�v wb�q KvR Kiv A�bK �ewk Ri�wi| �mLv�b AvIqvgx jxM GKwU �gv� wmwbqi `j wn�m�e hw` �m iKg wKQy K�i, weGbwc Ki�j Aciva n�e �Kb? Gi ga� �_�KB mwVK Z_�wU �ewi�q AvmyK| AvIqvgx jxM c�gvY Ki�K Zv�iK ingv�bi `vwe AmZ�, wg_�v| Zviv cvi�j c�gvY Ki�K, weZK� �kl n�q hv�e|
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KvMR: Gme gxgvswmZ Bmy� wb�q K_v e�j, c�k� Zz�j, weZK� K�i Zv�iK ingvb wKsev weGbwci wK jvf n��Q?
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KvMR: Rvgvqv�Zi m�� miKv�ii GKwU mg�SvZvi �Re i�q�Q| GB wb�q Avcbvi ch��e�Y Kx?
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�gvqv��g �nv�mb Avjvj: GBUv �Zv A�bK Av�M �_�KB �i� n�q�Q, Avcwb �`�L�Qb �h wgwQj Ki�Z w`�qwQj miKvi, wgwQj �_�K cywjk�K dzj w`�qwQj, wgw� w`�qwQj| 5 Rvbyqvwii wbe�vP�bi ci ci gvneye Dj Avjg nvwb�di nv�Z dz�ji �Zvov w`�q Rvgvqv�Zi eo gv�ci GKRb �bZv Zvi `jejmn AvIqvgx jx�M �hvM w`�q�Q| kixqZcy�i wbe�vwPZ Ggwc whwb, Zvi ILv�bI RvgvqvZ G iKg `jejmn AvIqvgx jx�M �hvM w`�q�Q| Avgv�`i Kv�Q GB ai�bi Z_� i�q�Q Ges c�gvYI i�q�Q� Dc�Rjv wbe�vP�b A�bK RvqMvq ��vbxqfv�e AvIqvgx jx�Mi m�� �eVK K�i, Rvgvqv�Z Bmjvgx AvIqvgx jx�Mi �Pqvig�vb c�v_�x�K �fvU w`�q�Q, AvIqvgx jxM Rvgvqv�Zi fvBm �Pqvig�vb�K �fvU w`�q�Q| GUv �`�ki A�bK RvqMvq n�q�Q| e�ovq n�q�Q, dwi`cy�i n�q�Q, cUzqvLvjx�Z n�q�Q, KzwoM�v�g n�q�Q, ei�bvq n�q�Q� G iKg A�bK RvqMvqB n�q�Q|
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KvMR: RvgvqvZ �ndvRZ miKv�ii e�z, MYRvMiY g� miKv�ii k�� n�q �M�Q| MYRvMiY gK wb�q miKviB �Lj�Q| MYRvMiY gKB miKvi Rvgvqv�Zi m�� mg�SvZvi c�avb evav, A�b�Ki Dcjw�...
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�gvqv��g �nv�mb Avjvj: fvi�Zi msL�vjNy hviv, Zv�`i e�vcviUv hw` `vwjwjKfv�e �`�Lb Zvn�j �`L�eb �h, fviZ-cvwK��vb hy�, fviZ-Pxb hy�, �ay KviwM�j �h Av�wjK mgm�v, me��kl �h hy�wU n�q�Q �mUv�K fviZ-cvwK��v�bi hy� ejv hv�e bv| evwK iBj fviZ-cvwK��vb hy�, fviZ-Pxb hy�| me��jv hy�B wK�� msMwVZ n�q�Q Ks�Mևmi Avg�j| Ks�M�m hLb �gZvq wQj ZLb| �ay KviwMj hy�Uv n�q�Q we�Rwc �gZvq _vKvKvjxb| cv�v�ei �^Y�gw�`�i �h NUbv N�UwQj, �mUvI n�q�Q Ks�Mևmi �gZvi mgq| we�Rwc G�j fvi�Zi gymjgvbiv �wZM֯� n�e, msL�vjNyiv �wZM֯� n�e GgbUv bq| we�Rwc �gZvq G�j msL�vjNyiv mgm�vq co�e, Z�e Ks�Mևmi Zzjbvq Kg �wZM֯� n�e msL�vjNyiv|
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KvMR: �UK �kv�i cwiwPZ gyL, wbqwgZ e�v Avcwb| �UK �kvՆZ B`vbxs Avcbv�K Kg �`Lv hvq, Gi KviY Kx?
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KvMR: Zv�iK ingv�bi m�� wK Avcbvi �hvMv�hvM nq? wbqwgZ �hvMv�hv�Mi K_v ejwQ...
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�gvqv��g �nv�mb Avjvj: wZwb �h�nZz `�ji wmwbqi fvBm �Pqvig�vb, Zvi m�� �Zv �hvMv�hvM _vK�eB| Z�e wbqwgZ �hvMv�hvM Zvi m�� nq bv| ejv hvq Zv�iK ingv�bi m�� Avgvi AwbqwgZ �hvMv�hvM i�q�Q|
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